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		<title>By: Dominic Hargreaves</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-26391</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic Hargreaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

I maintain freethepostcode.org.

Our database stores your email address, the lat/long you submit, the postcode you submit, the date/time of submission, the confirmation string, and confirmed flag.

Only the lat/long/postcode is released publically. We store the email address of the submitter so that in the event of problems with a particular submitter, we have some hope of fixing problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>I maintain freethepostcode.org.</p>
<p>Our database stores your email address, the lat/long you submit, the postcode you submit, the date/time of submission, the confirmation string, and confirmed flag.</p>
<p>Only the lat/long/postcode is released publically. We store the email address of the submitter so that in the event of problems with a particular submitter, we have some hope of fixing problems.</p>
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		<title>By: iFreeThePostcode&#160;&#124;&#160;Planet Street Map Mobile</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-26203</link>
		<dc:creator>iFreeThePostcode&#160;&#124;&#160;Planet Street Map Mobile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would be using giPhones&#8230; and that the McKerrellmeister would write an app for your iPhone 3G which lets you upload postcodes using the iPhone built-in GPS. Check it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] would be using giPhones&#8230; and that the McKerrellmeister would write an app for your iPhone 3G which lets you upload postcodes using the iPhone built-in GPS. Check it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-25571</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s correct. Actually I don&#039;t know about getting a username listed and had in fact wondered that myself. I&#039;ve asked the guy who does maintain the site to take a look at these questions. He&#039;s quite busy though so he might not be able to respond for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s correct. Actually I don&#8217;t know about getting a username listed and had in fact wondered that myself. I&#8217;ve asked the guy who does maintain the site to take a look at these questions. He&#8217;s quite busy though so he might not be able to respond for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Morley</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-25570</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Morley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the prompt and clear reply, John.

So, donning my tinfoil hat for one second, the worst case scenario as far as privacy is concerned is that the few people who have access to the database at freethepostcode.org would be able to tell that I (or at least my iPhone) was at a particular point at a particular time. I think I can live with that.

One further question: how does one create a username and get listed &lt;a href=&quot;http://freethepostcode.org/stats.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;? Thanks in advance.

PS Just submitted my first three postcodes.  :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the prompt and clear reply, John.</p>
<p>So, donning my tinfoil hat for one second, the worst case scenario as far as privacy is concerned is that the few people who have access to the database at freethepostcode.org would be able to tell that I (or at least my iPhone) was at a particular point at a particular time. I think I can live with that.</p>
<p>One further question: how does one create a username and get listed <a href="http://freethepostcode.org/stats.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>? Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>PS Just submitted my first three postcodes.  <img src='http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-25565</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

iFreeThePostcode actually submits your data to freethepostcode.org - a website which I don&#039;t actually have control over. I do trust the people looking after that site but as it&#039;s not my own I can&#039;t answer your questions definitively. I think these are correct though:

a) Your email address is stored together with the lat, lon and postcode that you submit. An IP address will also show up in the web server logs but I&#039;m not sure if this is specifically stored and for how long.
b) The only information which is intended for release is the latitude and longitude and the postcode
c) Not entirely sure what the &quot;ownership&quot; would be but..
d) The information is already released under a public domain license, you can get it from freethepostcode.org (link is on the bottom of the page).

I believe the email address is stored basically as a way to tie a number of submissions together, so that if someone decided to systematically submit the entire royal mail database, it could be noticed and removed. There is absolutely no intention to use your email address for spam or to sell it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>iFreeThePostcode actually submits your data to freethepostcode.org &#8211; a website which I don&#8217;t actually have control over. I do trust the people looking after that site but as it&#8217;s not my own I can&#8217;t answer your questions definitively. I think these are correct though:</p>
<p>a) Your email address is stored together with the lat, lon and postcode that you submit. An IP address will also show up in the web server logs but I&#8217;m not sure if this is specifically stored and for how long.<br />
b) The only information which is intended for release is the latitude and longitude and the postcode<br />
c) Not entirely sure what the &#8220;ownership&#8221; would be but..<br />
d) The information is already released under a public domain license, you can get it from freethepostcode.org (link is on the bottom of the page).</p>
<p>I believe the email address is stored basically as a way to tie a number of submissions together, so that if someone decided to systematically submit the entire royal mail database, it could be noticed and removed. There is absolutely no intention to use your email address for spam or to sell it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Morley</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-25547</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Morley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to contribute to a free postcode database, and I&#039;ve just bought an iPhone, but what I&#039;d like to see -- and haven&#039;t found yet -- is a clear description of (a) exactly what is recorded in your database when I submit information via the iPhone app, (b) which of these pieces of information are for publication and which are not, (c) who owns the collected data, and (d) under what license you intend to make the collected data available, and when.

If I&#039;ve missed something obvious, please just post a link.

I don&#039;t want to sound distrusting -- &#039;cos I&#039;m not! -- but I&#039;d like to know exactly what I&#039;m contributing to. Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to contribute to a free postcode database, and I&#8217;ve just bought an iPhone, but what I&#8217;d like to see &#8212; and haven&#8217;t found yet &#8212; is a clear description of (a) exactly what is recorded in your database when I submit information via the iPhone app, (b) which of these pieces of information are for publication and which are not, (c) who owns the collected data, and (d) under what license you intend to make the collected data available, and when.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve missed something obvious, please just post a link.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to sound distrusting &#8212; &#8216;cos I&#8217;m not! &#8212; but I&#8217;d like to know exactly what I&#8217;m contributing to. Thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-23888</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google&#039;s API does resolve postcodes for free but their license is restrictive about what you can do with them. You can&#039;t cache them long-term in your database which means an application such as &quot;get me the ten nearest stores to my location&quot; would not be possible if you only have postcodes for the stores. Their docs mention temporary caches but I&#039;m fairly sure that doesn&#039;t allow the above usage.

Their docs also mention that &quot;the geocoding service may only be used in conjunction with displaying results on a Google map&quot; which means that you couldn&#039;t use it with a map from Open Street Map.

Also, even though you do get some free access to postcodes with Google&#039;s API, the database is still proprietary, what if you don&#039;t want to use Google&#039;s API, what if you want to do something new and interesting that google&#039;s API can&#039;t do? The only way to do that would be to pay large amounts of money to the Royal Mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google&#8217;s API does resolve postcodes for free but their license is restrictive about what you can do with them. You can&#8217;t cache them long-term in your database which means an application such as &#8220;get me the ten nearest stores to my location&#8221; would not be possible if you only have postcodes for the stores. Their docs mention temporary caches but I&#8217;m fairly sure that doesn&#8217;t allow the above usage.</p>
<p>Their docs also mention that &#8220;the geocoding service may only be used in conjunction with displaying results on a Google map&#8221; which means that you couldn&#8217;t use it with a map from Open Street Map.</p>
<p>Also, even though you do get some free access to postcodes with Google&#8217;s API, the database is still proprietary, what if you don&#8217;t want to use Google&#8217;s API, what if you want to do something new and interesting that google&#8217;s API can&#8217;t do? The only way to do that would be to pay large amounts of money to the Royal Mail.</p>
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		<title>By: James P</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-23884</link>
		<dc:creator>James P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm, call me crazy, but doesn&#039;t google&#039;s geo API geocode UK postcodes?

I just tried it then quickly, and it seems to accurately resolve a full postcode quite well.

Obviously, you&#039;re not going to get incredibly accurate property boundaries or anything, but you&#039;re not going to get that anyway with an iPhone app.

Probably a lot quicker than doing it by hand, though perhaps not strictly within the Google T&#039;s&amp;C&#039;s (which I didn&#039;t read).

Cheers!

  James P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, call me crazy, but doesn&#8217;t google&#8217;s geo API geocode UK postcodes?</p>
<p>I just tried it then quickly, and it seems to accurately resolve a full postcode quite well.</p>
<p>Obviously, you&#8217;re not going to get incredibly accurate property boundaries or anything, but you&#8217;re not going to get that anyway with an iPhone app.</p>
<p>Probably a lot quicker than doing it by hand, though perhaps not strictly within the Google T&#8217;s&amp;C&#8217;s (which I didn&#8217;t read).</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>  James P.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-23157</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a random thought: how useful would street names plus postcodes be as input, as opposed to GPS locations? I mean, being a nerd, I&#039;ve got all my relatives&#039; and friends&#039; addresses in my Mac&#039;s AddressBook, and it wouldn&#039;t be difficult to script mass submissions from the Mac. Of course, this gets synced to my iPhone but I have no idea if it&#039;s accessible to apps.

As long as you&#039;ve got some way to work back to a rough location (via OpenStreetMap or whatever) then it should provide a pretty good if slightly coarse source. In some cases it&#039;s going to be misleading, e.g. very long roads, but then it should be pretty easy to spot very long roads in the OSM data, and even then it&#039;d be better than nothing. In some cases it&#039;ll be even more accurate than a single point, I know for example that in my small street every house has the same postcode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a random thought: how useful would street names plus postcodes be as input, as opposed to GPS locations? I mean, being a nerd, I&#8217;ve got all my relatives&#8217; and friends&#8217; addresses in my Mac&#8217;s AddressBook, and it wouldn&#8217;t be difficult to script mass submissions from the Mac. Of course, this gets synced to my iPhone but I have no idea if it&#8217;s accessible to apps.</p>
<p>As long as you&#8217;ve got some way to work back to a rough location (via OpenStreetMap or whatever) then it should provide a pretty good if slightly coarse source. In some cases it&#8217;s going to be misleading, e.g. very long roads, but then it should be pretty easy to spot very long roads in the OSM data, and even then it&#8217;d be better than nothing. In some cases it&#8217;ll be even more accurate than a single point, I know for example that in my small street every house has the same postcode.</p>
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		<title>By: I&#8217;m a Mac?</title>
		<link>http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2009/01/03/postcodes-are-important/comment-page-1/#comment-23106</link>
		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m a Mac?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] providing a market place and distribution channel for application developers. John has shared the download stat&#8217;s for his FreeThePostcode app&#8230;a staggering 3000 downloads in just a couple of months - for an [...]</description>
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